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These dialogues are immensely beautiful, a totally different play than Socratic dialogues or Martin
Luther s dialogue. The monk thought himself competent enough to answer the question he himself
has raised.
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But you cannot deceive a master.
THE MONK SAID, THE STONE TURTLE HAS SPOKEN!
Now, if Ryuge had been just a teacher, he would have been embarrassed to continue. But Ryuge
was an authentic master.
RYUGE SAID, WHAT DID IT SAY TO YOU?
THE MONK WAS SILENT.
Now he found that he was not competent enough to have a dialogue with a master, with an
enlightened person... and he could not deceive. And anyway, you are only deceiving yourself.
ONE OF DAIBAI S MONKS ASKED HIS MASTER THE SAME QUESTION, TO WHICH DAIBAI
REPLIED,
HIS COMING HAS NO MEANING.
The question is the same. The masters are different. The answers apparently are different, but not
truly.
Daibai said, HIS COMING HAS NO MEANING.
Meaning is always part of the mind. Without mind, there is no meaning, there is only silence. There
is significance, there is beauty, there is dance, there is music, but no meaning. Mind is meaning: no-
mind is no meaning. One of the names of Gautam Buddha is tathagata. It has many connotations.
One of them is worth remembering at this point. It means, Came thus, gone thus just like a
breeze. You don t ask, What is the meaning of the breeze coming and then going away? You know
the breeze has no-mind, hence you cannot ask the question.
Daibai said, HIS COMING HAS NO MEANING.
But remember the word no because that no cancels meaning and mind. Just as waiting will
cancel mind, its worries, its questions; just as waiting will make you silent, so no will create the
same space. Different masters, different answers; but pointing to the same space.
THE MONK BROUGHT THIS QUESTION TO ENKAN, WHO SAID, TWO DEAD MEN IN ONE
COFFIN.
It does not happen anywhere: two dead men in one coffin. He is saying by this statement that you
are putting two dead men in one coffin: you are putting this significance, the tremendous beauty, the
grace, into one coffin with Bodhidharma. But Bodhidharma is after all a coffin just as you are, just
as I am. Inside, there can be only one, not two.
Enkan s meaning is a little difficult to understand but he is saying, Don t put contradictory things
together. Mind and meaning? What has mind to do with meaning? And what has Bodhidharma to
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do with coming? Even without Bodhidharma, dhyan was going to blossom. It is just coincidental
that Bodhidharma was being used by existence to bring the message.
It reminds me of Albert Einstein. He was asked that, If you had not discovered the theory of relativity,
can you tell us how many years we would have had to wait for someone to discover it?
Albert Einstein was certainly a very humble, sincere man. He said, Not more than two weeks. The
climate was ready. I was just a vehicle.
The people who heard this could not believe it. The theory of relativity is so difficult that the greatest
philosopher of our century, Bertrand Russell, has written a book: THE ABC OF RELATIVITY. When
he was asked, Why ABC? Why not the whole thing up to XYZ? Bertrand Russell said, First I have
to understand that much. I only understand the ABC.
Only twelve people in the whole world were known to have had some understanding of what Albert
Einstein had found. And to say that within two weeks somebody else would have discovered it
shocked people. They could not believe it. They thought, Perhaps he is joking. Perhaps he is being
too humble. But it is not humbleness, it is simple truthfulness.
And the theory was found in a German philosopher s notebooks who had discovered it before
Einstein. But he was a lazy man and he did not publish it. So somebody had discovered it not
just after two weeks, but perhaps two months previously. But lazy men are lazy men: it remained
in his papers, which he never published; they were found when he was dead. He was the real
discoverer.
There is always a climate. In a certain climate, as the spring comes and thousands and thousands
of flowers start blossoming, as the rain comes and clouds and clouds cover up the whole sky....
Daibai s reply, HIS COMING HAS NO MEANING, meant, It would have come anyway. The time
was ripe. Existence can give a little rope, but not much.
The monk brought this question to Gensha, another master. GENSHA, HEARING OF THIS SAID,
ENKAN IS A CLEVER CHAP.
I would have to remind you of Enkan s answer, TWO DEAD MEN IN ONE COFFIN.
Gensha said, ENKAN IS A CLEVER CHAP. He did not say that Enkan was enlightened just a
clever chap. He made up the answer, which had not come from his own experience.
THE SAME QUESTION THE MEANING OF BODHIDHARMA COMING FROM THE WEST
WAS BROUGHT TO SEKITO, OR STONEHEAD , AS HE WAS ALSO KNOWN.
By the way, please note: our own Sekito has gone to Germany. He will be coming back soon.
Perhaps Germany has more stoneheads than any other country. Half of my disciples are German.
And it is not a coincidence that two years ago the German parliament passed an order that I cannot
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